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World Air Power Update, Part 2
Fri, 2009-07-03 17:32 — TimV
Manufacturer:
Model AllianceProduct number:
MA-169Scale:
1/72Release date:
July 2009In two weeks Model Alliance will release their new decalsheet "World Air Power Update, Part 2" in scale 1/72. A lof of different topics on this one, including following 2 Australian Navy helicopter subjects:
- Agusta A.109E Power, N42-510 of A109E Flight, 723 Squadron, based at HMAS "Albatros", Nowra,
New South Wales, in 2008. - Agusta A.109E Power, N42-501 of A109E Flight, 723 Squadron, based at HMAS "Albatros", Nowra,
New South Wales, in 2008.
The first one is gloss black while the second one is painted Light Ghost Grey (FS26375)
To be complete, below the coverpage there is the list of non-helicopter subjects.
- F-111C/G, A8-132, 1 Squadron, RAAF 2004 in Red Flag scheme
- Saab AJS-37 Viggen, 37027/57, F-10 Division, 1 Squadron. Swedish Air Force. Red Ghost Special
- Saab JAS-37DI Viggen, 37398/08 of 4 Division: 1 Squadron, Swedish Air Force 2004
- Dassault Rafale M F2, No 11 of Flottille 12.F, French Navy, Afghanistan 2007/08
- Dassault Rafale M F1, No 2 of Flottille 12.F. French Navy, 1000th Flight Hour Special markings
- Dassault Rafale M F1, No 3 of Flottille 12.F. French Navy 2005 in original markings
- BAe Hawk Mk.129, 503 of 5 Squadron, Bahraini Air Force 2008
- Eurofighter EF-2000 Typhoon, MM7235/36-04 of 36 Stormo, 12 Grupo, Italian Air Force 2008
- Eurofighter EF-2000 Typhoon, MM7278/4-12 of 4 Stormo, IX Grupo, 'World Cup Special', Italian Air Force 2006
- Eurofighter EF-2000 Typhoon F-54, 1001 of 10 Squadron, Royal Saudi Air Force, 2009
- Eurofighter EF-2000 CE.16 Tifon,CE.16-01/11-70, Gruppo 11, 111 Escuadron, Spanish Air Force 2006.
- Aeritalia AMX, MM7144/53-03 of 51 Stormo, 103 Grupo, Italian Air Force, 2008
- F-4F AUP Phantom II, 71743 of 339 Mira, Greek Air Force 2008.
Comments
Why the hell...
... do the companies develop and print decals for helicopters which don't exist as kits in any scale?
Very good question!
I wanted to ask exactly the same.
Stefan
Why the hell...
It's because they can but yes if there is not kit avalable.....! We have the LUH in service with the SANDF and I've looked at a conversion for the Revell A-109 kit, it's a quite complicated, complete new upper fusealge/engine housing. I have three view drawings of it, maybe I should send then to Italeri or Revell, see if they bight.
I looked at the Stingray from one of their earlier sheets, plenty to add to the basic 109 to get to the stingray and not too much reference out there on that subject either.
Colin
There is this Revell-Kit of
There is this Revell-Kit of the old A109 K-versions but I don´t think it´s possible to do a conversion. Nose, doors, windows, engine housing, doghouse - everything is totally different to the A109 E-power.
It would be great if there was a proper A109 E-kit since I´d love to build a Hkp 15.
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Sweden---Air/Agusta-Hkp15-(A-109E/1282650/L/
Stefan
Decals but no kits
I think some of you have missed the point as often we know there are kits planned for some of the subjects as we work alongside many of the kit manufacturers. i.e. Airfix, Revell, Trumpeter etc.
Also there is often conversion or improvement sets avialable which we mention in the instruction sheets.
To take the A-109 Power for expample there is a very good Revell A109 Power kit with South African AF markings which needs very little conversion/ average modelling skills to build the RAN version.
There is also a small resin conversion set from an Italian Cottage industry company or the kits are available in resin.
I hope this helps.
Gary
Well - I just built that
Well - I just built that A-109 KM Kit and I can tell you that in my opinion there is no chance to build a proper A-109 E Power for the average modeller.
This list is not exhaustive.
If you want to compare it, here´s a good shot of a SAAF A-109 LUH: http://www.airliners.net/photo/South-Africa--/Agusta-A-109E-LUH/1407528/...
Just to make that clear: My A-109 KM was a fun-build, since there is no A-109 KM in the SAAF. I just wanted to try some new things and not to build a copy of a real existing helicopter.
Stefan
Model Alliance Copying decals again
Isn't it Funny..
How Model Alliance UK keep copying decals and resin products that has been produced by Australian manifactures.
They started with the RAN Seaking anniversary set and then they just continued on from there.
You would think that with all different aircraft schemes out their, that they would stop copying Australian produced products.
They seem to be almost as bad as the Chinese.
But what makes it worse is that they don't even live in Australia and they seem to only do Aussie subjects half hartedly. Just like the Chinese.
Anthony Summers
OZ Man
If you talk about Hawkeye
If you talk about Hawkeye Models and Model Alliance... they don't copy the cooperate as far as I know
so don't understand what you are referring to...
Agusta decals
My opinion Oz Man talk about Southern Sky Models production decals..
Regards,
Robertas
Dear Anthony, I don't know
Dear Anthony,
First...I don't know you and based on what you've written I can not be figure out if what you are saying is based on serious knowledge, that you are a 16 year old kid who posted this, that you are working for a "Decal company"...
I was also little surprised by your tone of voice and also that the "few" arguments you gave are not convincing and are merely meant to give the "attack" the biggest impact. I even was thinking to delete your post because of the tone of voice (congratulations: this was the first one on scale-rotors).
I however decided to give some answers from my point of view and from my "little knowledge" regarding Australian subjects, small scale manufacturers, decal companies...etc.
Here are a few responses from my point of view on what you've written...
"How Model Alliance UK keep copying decals and resin products that has been produced by Australian manifactures."
"They started with the RAN Seaking anniversary set and then they just continued on from there."
I suppose the "RAN Seaking anniversary set" you are referring to is the Great White Shark scheme from Hawkeye Models and The aviation workshop and Model Alliance?
As far as I know there is (was) always been a very close connection/cooperation between "Hawkeye Models" and "The Aviation Workshop"
Have a look at the bottom of the page:
You can find other examles of cooperations when you do following google search "site:www.helikitnews.com site:www.helikitnews.com hawkeye aviation workshop model alliance"
So your statement that it started with the RAN Seaking anniversary set is from my point of view incorrect.
This includes (included) decals and resin products.
"But what makes it worse is that they don't even live in Australia and they seem to only do Aussie subjects half hartedly. Just like the Chinese."
I really really really don't know what you try to say with this sentence? An Australian company would be allowed to copy something from another Australian company? Or are only Australian companies allowed to bring Australian subjects? Or if you are not an Australian Company your product is defacto "half hartedly"?
"copying Australian produced products"
If you talk about "copy" please make sure that you abosulutely mean "copy" and not "just covering the same subject". Stating that a company copies others work is a serious accuse! And there is also the possibility of cooperation that we don't know of.
As Robertas showed me the set of "Southern Sky Models" (I didn't new that one, so maybe you have written this post with other subjects in mind) it doesn't necessarily have to mean "copy"... Based on the (small) amount of decals this is a very easy set to do... certainly if you already have the roundels and the correct font for your markings...Ideal subject to add on one of Model Alliance's "Air Power" sheets. I however noticed that the serial numbers are the same, but AFAIK there are only 3 A-109E in service with the RAN (at least one must be the same)...I also noticed that both "Southern Sky Models" and "Model Alliance" have decals that the other ones doesn't have.
For the A-109
For the White Shark Sea King (and many other Model Alliance/Hawkeye Models)
Based on the arguments you gave and my (little) knowledge of the subject your attack and tone of voice was inappropriate.
Feel free to reply please keep it polite and to the fact
Have a nice Sunday
Tim
Model Allience products...
hi Tim, I'd like to back you on your reply to Anthony no matter what his age. one must speak form a position of authority, because there is no cure for stipidity, likewise there are no stupid questions only stupid answers!
Model Allience had an aggreement with Hawkeye Models which I presume gave Hawkeye a great market pentration and good luck to them if the partnership was beneficail to both parties. There does however does seem to be a prepoderence for MA to release decal sheets for models or variants ofnwhich there is no current of announce future release.
I as a manufacturer of aftermarket accessories/conversion/correction parts have no axe to grind either way, I'm quite happy for the kit maufacuters to make mistakes and that their kits that don't match up to what they paport to be. If a manufacutrer says they are going to release something and give a release date and say MA (or whoever) decide to release a decal sheet for that kit, you can hardly hold them liable if the kit doesn't appear.
However maybe MA should make a simlar aggreement/contract with say Miku (or whoever) and say here's x Euros's to produnce the kit but I want 100/200 (to recoup my investment) to sell before you release the kit. Then maybe we would get the said releases. It needs co-oporation.
I have had a couple of my product line where I thought I could release by such a kit bu such a date and then couldn't match my sheduled release date and by a good margin! So someone else released a kit of the same subject, thankfully the parts are less than you would want to buy and far less than I was going to offer for the same kit. Thankfully the market is still open to what I have to offer (when I get it finnished).
Unfortunately the dissapointment rest with the modeller, so if you have been unhappy with what has passed before you can always vote (purchase) with your feet annd go elswhere. If you jump at the release then have to wait, well, patients is virtue never found in a modeller!
Be thankfull there is healthy aftermarket industry to pamper to your needs.
Colin Burgess, ROTORcraft
Australian Subjects
Tim
Thanks you form the support and as some information further to this please see below:
One of my own modelling interests has always been Australian military subjects, hence my original tie up with Hawkeye Models in Australia with Steve Evans. Many of the releases between 2001 - 2004 were jointly funded by both companies. However these were computer printed decals mainly and we sunsequently have reproduced some of these decals as main stream high quality silk screen and offset litho decals. (Produced by Cartograf, Fantasy Printshop and Microscale)
I have purchased some Computer Printed Southern Sky Model decals myself but our decals are not reproductions of these decals, indeed our new range are not reproductions of the old Hawkeye decals either as they are all new artwork.
In fact, as an example our decal sheet covering the Australian Army Tiger chopper on World Air Power sheet 1 was released before the Southern Sky Models decal sheet was produced.
As for the Agusta A-109, I think you will find that I published the first pictures of these in a mainstream magazine over two years ago from information sent to me via the RAN as I am a Crown Copyright Licence Holder. (I do not believe that either the current Hawkeye Decals or Southern Sky decals hold this licence). Further more, the last time I ordered anything from Southern Sky, the A-109s were not even advertised and as of todays date are still not advertised so I am not really sure why anybody is complaining.
The majority of our decals are sold in the UK, Europe and USA/Cananda and I see no conflict with any other Australian decal company.
It is a shame that some people and especially modellers can be so offensive and I believe this does all modellers both in Australia and around the world a injustice.
As a last point, we are no longer associated with the new owners of Hawkeye Model decals and we will continue to produce high quality decals of Australian Subjects.
Gary Madgwick
Managing Director of The Aviation Workshop/Model Alliance Decals
Australian Modellers
Hello all including Gary.
Steve Evans here Ex owner of Hawkeye.
I have been very recluse for the last few years due to health.
and now mainly just do contact artwork and build models all day.
I just stumbled across this web site this morning. ( Great site by the way)
Nice to see people are still out there supporting each other.
I can't talk for the new Hawkeye Owners but i can talk for Southern Sky Models.
Southern Sky Models are a Western Australian model shop which hasa large range of different modelling subjects.
I currently produce some Short run High Quality Decals for them in a large aray of diffrent subjects.
I too don't quite understand what the other guy/ girl was on about. But hey isn't everyman for him self in this industry. May be what he was talking about was that you seem to see some of the same things being produced by you gary as to what Hawkeye did. ( What i had produced) Yes they were machine printed decals, But there was nothing wrong with them. And if you want to do the same thing then so what.
Any way that is nor here nor there ( As in who Cares).
Gary, Yes, Southern Sky Models do have an agreement with the Australian Defence Force ( Lisence of which you would like to call it) they to also have one with Qantas and many other companies and Defence Forces.
So please don't think that you are the only one. Hope all is going well for you as you seem to be doing some great subjects.
Anyway Back to the Rat Race. And please
keep a look out for the new range of great subjects coming out through Southern Sky Models. Including a Huge new range of helo decals . As i too am a huge helo nut. As yes they will be screen printed Gary.
And to the other Guy who ever you may be. All I can say is don't worry about it as many other companies seem to
do the same subjects as some of their other competitors. It's called Compatition...
Please feel free to contact me if you would like more info on the Southern Sky Range of decals.
Kind regards to all
Steve Evans
Tiger and A109 Decals
G'Day Gary
Dont know what the other guy was on about, Sounds a bit crazy.
And i know you and i have had our fare share of them
Didn't know that you did these or did articles on them.
I did a walkaround article on the Aus Tiger a few years ago i think, for model art.
Then people asked me for the decals on Both subjects. Had no idea that you had also done them, and the same with the A109s
But i had done all three versions of the Aus 109's.
I also copped the same thing No Kits.
Any way hope all is well.
Steve Evans
Agusta
Hi, Stefan where did you get this kit, I had the opportunity to fly in this chopper when we were busy with an Operation in SA. Would like to get hold of such a kit! I'v got nice pic's of the helo with it's "sleering gear" on.
Agusta
Sorry meant to say "sleeping gear"
ebay! But as I said earlyer
ebay! But as I said earlyer - it has nothing to do with the actual A109s from SA.
Stefan